CC Club House Phase 1

[JEFF LAM YUET]

Jefflam,
Could you tell me where you have got these authorities from so I can get a copy?
I can't see how it can be done as the DMC is very specific on this point but I will ecstatic if what you say is correct.

What is the OI you refer to?

Sorry, should be IO, INCORPORATED OWNERS. Thanks. for everyone who have hearts to serve our community and residents for the interest and benefits of them and for a better living environment of CC/TC. Let's all work together to group a powerful team to deal with MO, MTRC, Developers, Government, etc. We don't do meaningless fight and don't yell silly slogans, but actually doing real works for people. More support needed now.

[Gooner]

Don't fire these losers. Just get the MO out of the decision making process. They could be our handymen and runners. As far as brainstorming and improvements are concerned - we as owners can suggest, debate, decide and implement.

The Clubhouse is just ONE issue that will never get better be it the squash courts, the ski slope, the gym with less equipment than Towers in CC, the opening hours, the manpower / resources monitoring who reads which magazines ..... I could go on. I guess everyone has their own little episode to share. It all revolves around these idiots called the 'MO'. It's like these jokers were handpicked from a Government Estate, given a manual to study, then dressed in Black to manage CC and drive us crazy.

Fust, it's not like banging your head against a brick wall ... it's like you're talking to a brick wall. I thought it was funny the way they disappear into the backroom of the MO when you ask to speak to them. I wanted to tell them .... you can run, but you can't hide.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

sure, and agree, firing them may be beneficial to some other dirty people, get the decision making rights and let them to work on we owners' decisions. need support one day, hope we all can group together when the timing is right. I will provide further information on bad practice of some property management companies later too. keep in touch my friends.

[Icarus]

I agree they probably could do what is required if properly directed by the OC and metaphorically treated like monkeys. Trouble is 10% of expenditure is not peanuts and far too much for a body that is demoted to no more than a gofer & has no responsibility.

This whole 10% overide is flawed. It fuels frivolous expenditure, exacerbates any necessary extraordinary spending and suborns good management practice. The evergreen "slippery floor tiles" is a classic example. Should we fail in getting the Developer to make good the defect ( personally I think we have a strong case) it would be the OC primarily who would have to foot the bill. This expenditure would be subject to a 10% profit overide to MTRC, the very party who were remiss in accepting the sub standard work in the first place on behalf of the owners before a committee was formed. They (MTRC) made the error of judgement and not only do we end up footing the repair bill but also suffer the insult of paying them a 10% commission for their lack of care. I don't think this will happen in this case but it just demonstrates how ridiculous this system can be.

I am sure we all wish we had a business where the income is guaranteed from clients who have no alternative and a 10% guaranteed gross profit is linked to expenditure that can be increased at whim. The more people employed and expenditure wasted, profit still increases pro rata.

Like a service charge in a restaurant it does nothing to improve service levels and only creates financial complacency in the providers.

I am no economist but it sounds a perverse principle to me.

I really don't care who wears the black suits. I just want good management at a reasonable price which the current system fails to deliver on both fronts.
I think the system has created the monster and the answer may not be just changing the face but overhauling that which is outdated. However to change the system you may have remove the current regime.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

hi mate, yes, understand your points too, it requires a long process/time to deal with them, I will see what I can do, and please do support me if anything I can do in the future. Thanks a lot my CC friends.

[Zorro]

Dear Owners Committee,

Can you please ask MTR MO to give you a copy of the monthly breakdown of club facility use. They will have this and it will take them less than a minute to print out. Can yo please post it on this site whne yo have it. I would like to see dakly use of pool, revenue recv'd per day etc.

Txs.

Z

[Icarus]

You're right Jefflam, they take procrastination to the level of an art form.

Gassing them like badgers is far quicker and easier.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

I am an owner and not an OC member at this moment, I will consider joining CC OC one day if I can get your support, but meanwhile I will still do my best to work for CC matters too. btw, I have joinned CS OC election today, please kindly tell your friends in CS to give me a hand if you believe I am doing well for our community. My Chinese name is LAM YUET. Thanks. 

[Zorro]

In 2007 the clubhouse (all facilities) had income of 3m and expenditure of 15m. The loss was 12m or if u like, 30,000 per day...

Apart from the 17m cost of the security for the entrance octopus readers this is the other significant area that needs to be addressed.

I realise that clubs for the most part do not make money, however they do not need to run at such a defecit. My questions for the owners committee are as follows:

1 - who owns the facilities, is it us or CKong / MTR?

2 - Are we paying C Kong / MTR rental for the facilities?

I know that we pay more or less $10 per pax and a little more in weekends when we use the facilities. I also realise that we can buy monthly tickets for the various facilities.

I understand that it is a pain buying monthly tickets as we have to fill out an application form and lodge it on certain days etc... lots of unnessesary red tape.

I would like to suggest to he owners committee that they try and cut back on the red tape and make the monthly tickets easier to obtain. I would go one step further and ask if the owners committee can try and:

institute andc annual one off fee for use of all facilites;
have this annujnal pass valid for 12 months from date of issue;
makethe price cheap enough so that if someone uses  the fascilities three times a week it is worthwhile, in other words charge say $2,000 for a year.

I know from experience that many ski resorts round the world sell season passses to early birds for the price of 21 days skiing.

In other words if you make it attractive enough than more peole will buy a season pass than you would think.


So if the cost to run the place is 15m and you charged $2,000 for the season pass than if you sold 7,500 season tickets you would be square.

I know this is a symplistic view, however I think it is worth considering as a way to reduce the rot at the club house.

[Fust]

Proper Food & beverage facilities could jack-up monthly income too, if managed properly... 

[Muttley]

Is there anything happening about the clubhouse? Lots of people seem disappointed by the service but nothing seems to change. Are the Owners Committee taking this up as I can't see anything in minutes?
What do we have to do to get things rolling as the suggestion box doesn't seem to work?

[JEFF LAM YUET]

the very same company just won another contract in CS clubhouse (under very well-organised arrangement by MO there), so in TC, they are/will be managing CC, CS, TCC, except SVC.

[Gooner]

the very same company just won another contract in CS clubhouse (under very well-organised arrangement by MO there), so in TC, they are/will be managing CC, CS, TCC, except SVC.

Jeff -

Sorry I don't buy it. If you say the very same company won another year's contract, it means it's the same company that's currently managing the CC Clubhouse as well. Well, they suck !

[JEFF LAM YUET]

the very same company just won another contract in CS clubhouse (under very well-organised arrangement by MO there), so in TC, they are/will be managing CC, CS, TCC, except SVC.

Jeff -

Sorry I don't buy it. If you say the very same company won another year's contract, it means it's the same company that's currently managing the CC Clubhouse as well. Well, they suck !

Yes I don't buy it too, I mean the way they organise contracts are real suck so we all get suck companies managing our estates.

The way they run clubhouse has no motivation to improve, we owners keep paying huge $ in terms of million PER MONTH to maintain their management problems.

I am trying to change the tender, purchase process in SVC, I am also joining CS OC election now. I know it is not easy but I would love to try my best to at least increase the competitiveness and transparency (lower price) of MO contracting arrangement.

[kent]

I have been making suggestions for years on improvements to the clubhouse, but they are always met with the usual bullshit letter from MO thanking me for my suggestions - and nothing gets done about it ! It is so stupid that the biggest space in the clubhouse is a pathetic grass ski hill that is only opened every second weekend - and on that weekend the kids have no access to their playroom and the door usually stays locked because no-one uses the ski hill (and if they do they risk hurting themselves on the plastic sleds which are broken and will seriously injure a child one of these days)
The gym is way too small for the amount of people that live in CC, the so-called squash courts are never opened and what the hell is the deal with the "cafe" ?

I think everyone feels the same about the poor use of space.  The track, the ski hill... these have to go.  The cafe and squash need to be re-opened, and the gym needs expansion.  I think the childrens play area can go over to the ski hill area and the gym can be expanded into the play area.  Reason being that the refreshments should be close to where people are using the internet and are working out.  This will keep the children in a safe pocket away from some of the language heard from adult traffic too.